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I've finally managed to delete everything I'd set up to automatically crosspost from tumblr from 2016-2017, mostly for aesthetic reasons -- I kind of like the seven-year gap in posts, because it's a Metaphor for something, and I hate the links that show up in the crossposts, and tumblr does feel much more ephemeral, so I'm more willing to have the dumb complaints there. En tout cas, it was nice to look back at who I was, and to see continuity and change.
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There is very little new to say about online self-presentation, but there's nothing new under the sun either, so whatever. I'm thinking about my tone specifically -- I try, at my best, for lyrical breezy: long, loosely connected sentences with, hopefully, a light humor amid the complaints, that can bloom into bigger things. Each post is a Journey from wherever I started to wherever the grammar of the sentence and the process of writing took me. This post probably doesn't exactly have a Point, but it is interesting to see how this style and tone have evolved over the years -- 2017 is definitely almost but not quite there; and I definitely fall out of the bouncy complaints into real ones when I'm miserable, and the style itself is much too self-pitying, self-aggrandizing, and melodramatic. The resolution is, therefore, to stay bouncy even when doing that self-pity.
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the other problem with Dreamwidth is that you can't like posts -- it is comforting to get a like on a sad tumblr post, and it's an easy way of getting that feeling of solidarity, and I hardly expect people to comment on a Dreamwidth post, even if it's just with a heart emoji or a <3, because it is more work.
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I was off work for illness yesterday (about which there is more to be said, but mostly along the miserable tightrope of not genuinely wanting a serious illness, but wanting there to be something tangibly wrong so that something can be done about it, instead of a general miasma of feeling generally physically awful settling on and around me) and R --- n had to be at work at 6 am, so we missed our morning exercise, but when he got home he cajoled me into going to the gym, and it was, I hate to report, wonderful, though I'm worried about i) pushing myself too hard because I know what I used to be able to do; ii) him pushing himself too hard to try to keep up with me; and iii) that I'm not doing enough because it feels too easy;

but since it is 60 degrees Fahrenheit here, and the pool is right there, I went in after the workout, and the pool is outdoor, unheated, and very lightly, if at all, chlorinated, so even though it's tamed water it had some of that feeling of breaking ice, a crispness throughout your head, that you get when you've jumped into a very cold lake and broken the surface;

and I still haven't made a lasting truce with my body, but for a moment it was all right.
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The real problem with dreamwidth, as it was with livejournal, though, is that it feels less conducive to dumb off-the-cuff posts -- the fault may very well be in me, but I very much feel that I need to have something to Say on these sites, despite the fact that they're not as formal as, say, Wordpress. Even this post feels like it needs to be more substantial.
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This is the first non-crosspost I've made here since March 2011, and seven years is a long time, but more has changed than I possibly could have imagined. In March 2011, I was a junior in college writing Iliad fanfic in ENG 209: Gore and Glory (and then getting called out for it by my rugby teammate, who was sitting next to me). I had no idea where I was going besides "not Classics grad school." I wanted to stay in NYC forever, if only for the public transit. I had vague ideas that I wanted to do a translation for my thesis, but I was still thinking about the Homeric Hymns (I had yet to show up with my initial translation in Professor Ford's office, only for him to tell me that everyone had translated the Homeric Hymns, which sent me off on a mad dash to find something else, leading to excavating the Orphic Hymns from a dusty corner of Classics).

2012 - 2014 was pretty miserable -- I still had no plan in June 2012, or December 2012. I did a semester or two of non-credit classes so I could have enough credits for a year of miserable Latin teaching grad school. After getting into a classroom with actual children, I realized that that would never work out, especially with New York State's guidelines for teaching Latin, which are terrible. I got my first office job in August 2014, and getting paid was nice, but everything else was miserable -- the organization didn't do much, so I had nothing to do, but the President's wife didn't want to admit that it did nothing, so I had to account for every minute. I got sick for a week and a half, make the hour and a half trip up to work, and was sent home by a coworker, who said "Since neither of you [me and the other person] is reliable, I can't get sick." I moved out of my parents' apartment and into a fourth-floor walk-up closet with four roommates. Towards the end of my time at this job, I had anxiety attacks so bad I couldn't move my hands. I went to Italy for two weeks and then was let go the day I got back, which was, honestly, fine.

I looked for work for three months, found a fairly decent job, had to move out of my apartment (but found one about three times the size for the same rent), liked my job, got tired of my job, was let go after a budget hiccup, looked for work for nine months, with varying intensity, stressed, cried, had lots of migraines, went to the ER, dealt with bureaucracy, and generally felt like hell.

And throughout it all, I worried about ever finding love -- that I was unloveable; that I was incapable of strong feeling; that no one who could fill even two of my many needs existed. I was awkward; I didn't know what people talked about; I couldn't find friends, much less lovers. I fell out of love with New York gradually, but realized towards the end of 2017 -- the promise of the city, I realized, was for other people. People who had the energy to go to the opera on a Tuesday and then work on a Wednesday. People who wanted to go to bars. People who could do more than one thing on any given day. Most of all, people who had money.

In March of 2018, in one of the worst months of my life (I had a migraine every day that month; I was completely unmedicated, and therefore exhausted, depressed, and in pain), I sent a facebook message to the second person I kissed, who I'd met at camp when I was twelve and kissed as a counselor at 18, facebook messaged for a while, and then, after he stopped answering, had thought about on and off over the years. I didn't write about reasons in my journal at the time, and I'm a little mad, because I don't know why. A message from Aphrodite herself, I guess (and hopefully Hera was looking over her shoulder). I didn't really have high hopes -- I thought he wouldn't answer, or that it would be awkward and unpleasant. When he answered, two days after I sent the message, we talked for five hours. I found out he was in Austin and told myself nothing could ever happen.

He visited for the first time on April 21st. We took standing room tickets to what turned out to be Anna Netrebko's first Tosca. I made no romantic overtures. We'd both established that we were single, but nothing else. The next day, after the Met Museum, I asked him onto my bed and, after a while, we kissed. He visited again in May, and then the break from May to late August was agonizing. I started looking at Austin job listings.

And now I live in Texas. I work; I drive; I take care of plants on my patio; I cook; I love. I could never have imagined this in March 2011. It's so much better than anything I could have imagined.
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Well, I'm actually almost done with this epic thing: book five is rather short, because I'm no good at battle scenes.
Book V! )
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So I was totally writing an Epic Iliad AU, in which Achilles totally disregards what Athena tells him to do and kills Agamemnon in book I. And I guess I took a fairly long break. But anyway, book IV is
here )
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So Book III is kind of really long. but anyway, here it is.
Book III )
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OH MY GOD, y'all, I started a project and didn't abandon it immediately! of course, there is still plenty of time to abandon it yet, but whatever. So.

Book II )
Book I
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So I'm taking this class called Gore and Glory: Early Heroic Literature. And, well, I shouldn't really be taking it, because we're reading the Iliad on such a shallow level, and I'm pretty sure most of the people in the class are just there to get their literature and the arts credit. But good things are born from the mediocre, I suppose: something sparked me thinking about what would have happened if Achilles had actually killed Agamemnon in Book I. And so I've decided to write it. (with some help from A.T. Murray's translation) Book I is basically summary, though.

So heres Book I )
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I actually just finished a book that I loved unreservedly! or well, I think I had some reserves, but I forget what they were, so that's close enough. The book was Mark Helprin's Winter's Tale, which is about - well, it's about New York, and love, and magic, and winter. I can't summarize, and I'm not even going to try. My point is, everyone should go read it. Also A Kingdom Far and Clear, which is a "kid's book" but whatever, it's gorgeous in prose and presentation.
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I have just finished Pierre Pevel's The Cardinal's Blades. And I will admit that half the reason I bought it is because the cover is pretty. Also because it seemed trashy and hilarious. I was in fact underestimating the trashiness. Also the bad prose. Maybe it’s the translator to blame, but “Long and high-ceilinged, the room was lined with elegantly gilded and bound books which shone with a russet gleam in the half-light of the candle flames” is completely awful.

FURTHER: Agnès de Vaudreuil (which, admittedly, is a pretty awesome name) a. sleeps around to compensate for some Tragic and Mysterious Event, which we never get to find out about, and b. wears a red leather corset and has a special sword made just for her. Also “emerald green eyes, which burned with a cold flame” seriously. Well, at least she’s not half dragon too, although I think she may be a werewolf. (she is not.)

“Remaining by the door, he again avoided meeting the young man’s gaze as though something dangerous and troubling emanated from him, his elegance and angelic beauty nothing but a façade disguising a poisonous soul.” REALLY.
And now there’s a guy fighting a duel against four people with two swords. I cannot take this remotely seriously.

THERE IS A BAD GUY NAMED MALENCONTRE cracks and shards, this is ridiculous

I am not sure that a code consisting of Latin words and Greek grammar would be that hard to crack. The grammars are much the same; it’s a question of form. Does he mean that when you conjugate verbs, you’d use Greek endings? Like amomai or something? Because that is just terrible.

I am actually not sure on this point: it sounds like something that might be historical, but thinking about it from the point of view of knowing both Latin and Greek, I really don't think it would work. At best, you'd disguise the tense, and that doesn't sound all that effective. (enemies trying to figure it out: oh no, I don't know whether this is subjunctive or some horrible attempt at Latin optative! Surely this will COMPLETELY HINDER my attempts to foil your plan.) this would work even less well with nouns: OH NO the accusative ends in -an instead of -am? THIS IS A DISASTER.

I am also not sure that an ivory sword would work, even though it’s magic ivory. Seriously. Magic ivory from a dragon's tooth.

“Sometimes, throwing yourself into the lion’s jaws was the only means of finding its den.” I don’t know if that sentence would work better for me if I had been swept along by the prose up to now; I doubt it. No matter what the style, the sentence would stand out like a single perfect gem of melodrama.

And then the end got kind of awesome in a totally ridiculous way. Rescue from a burning castle on wyvern-back! Unexpected people are reporting to the bad guys!

Thus: if you don't mind some truly atrocious prose, the cover promises The Three Musketeers - with Dragons! and it delivers. Pretty much everyone is ridiculously overpowered and can shoot straight with 17th century weapons, though.
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Blood for a Borgia is quite awful. This awfulness resides mainly in the prose, since the plot, although it starts a little more than halfway through the book, is quite good, and there are no egregious mistakes in characterization. (Although Giovanni Sforza goes from limp-wristed to killing Giovanni Borgia pretty quickly.) So yeah, quotes:

“The heavy dews of passion drowned all else in her as she thrilled to him.” From, what else, a sex scene. A sex scene that starts the book and in which Giovanni Borgia tells his lover all about contemporary politics.

“That’s the trouble with Italy. There’s no national army.” Man, that is possibly the most anachronistic sentence I have ever read. It’s like “And then Caesar disposed of the assassins with his laser gun.”

“He was fabulously wealthy, ambitious, well-connected, powerful…and now he was dead.” Because really. That sentence happened.

“You daren’t trust yourself. You live the life of a zombi.” Did they even know about zombies in renaissance Italy? Or does zombi mean something else that Google and I know nothing of?

“There’s enough circumstantial evidence against him.” Evidently renaissance Italian justice systems worked exactly the same as 20th century American ones.

"Amazed, he confronted her, surprise in every feature of his face."

Also, pet peeve alert! Italian thrown in to "make it more authentic" or something. As in "Diavolo! I must now say some stilted exposition!"

And Iago Lanuto is referred to as Giovanni Borgia's "evil genius" more times than you can shake a lamb's tail at. Further "ugh": Iago Lanuto is not a historical character. Real subtle there, Mr. Gaunt.

I also disapprove of Lucrezia showing up very briefly and being characterized as a silly child. Of course. Because I like Lucrezia as a schemer, because it's cool.
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So this is a total love post. There are not all that many things that can make me turn off the analytic part of my mind. Steven Brust is one of them.

I first read The Phoenix Guards a while ago. Not ten years, for sure, but close. Since then I've read it multiple times; let's call it five. It was the first of his books I read, which, if you, the putative and likely non-extant reader know anything about his world, is a bad plan. If you don't, his world is populated mainly by "elves," who live thousands of years and look down on "humans." I was very confused when his main character was said to be "barely a hundred," to say the least. But even unaware of his world, the book drew me in and made me seek out the rest.

So. Things he does well: Female characters, oh my god. And not just main characters - yeah, Tazendra's awesome, but if you've got one female character in a world that supposedly has gender equality, it doesn't mean much. But there's multiple supporting characters, a mixture of evil and non-evil. Tazendra herself sleeps around and doesn't get shamed for it, has an attitude of unmitigated braggadocio, and just generally kicks ass. Jenicor e'Terics is concerned with her appearance - and a fine blade, which rarely happens. Seodra and Lytra are terrible scheming people in a way that has nothing to do with their gender.

He builds a history for his world without doing infodumps. My favorite historical character is the Empress Undauntra I, who is snarky and smart. Further, there are references to works of art and legendary figures; his world feels real, like there are people and a history in it who aren't directly connected to our main characters.

He has a bad king who is a good person. Well, for the most part. Poor Tortaalik is really just trying to do his best, at least in Phoenix Guards. He's sort of more of a disaster in Five Hundred Years After. But he really is trying to be a good king, but doesn't know how - which is unusual in a genre dominated by wonderful or awful rulers.

Also I love his style. It's been said that people talk too much, but I really like it when people talk, so I'm hardly an impartial judge.

(Also I read Iorich over the weekend as well and it was AWESOME. While I'm sure Vlad wandering around the east finding out about his history is wonderful, we need to get back to the heart of the series - Aliera being cooler than you.

OH GOD what does it say about me that my favorites are Orca, the banking drama, and Iorich, the courtroom drama?)

(Also also I have determined that I probably belong in either the House of the Tiassa or the Lyorn. Although I am a bit of a Dzur when I play rugby.)
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I'd been eying "German Literary Fairy Tales" for a while. It's always interesting to see attempts to write fairy tales, because they hardly ever work. A while ago, I read Goethe's attempt, simply called "The Fairy Tale,"* which is beautiful and strange, but fails as a fairy tale because it's too complicated. It's part of the nature of fairy tales that there are strange things, but that not everything is strange, and very little is symbolic. In Goethe's fairy tale nearly everything is fantastic: the ferryman can't accept gold as a fee, but only living things; the old woman can't carry living things, as they appear heavy to her, but stones are light.

The earlier tales are similar to Goethe's. Novalis' Klinsohr's Tale is evidently a response to the Goethe, but is not nearly as well translated, so it seems weaker. A common theme is the need to reject the worlds show in the stories. In "The New Melusine," the hero marries an elf princess** and puts on her magic ring, which makes him minuscule like her, but grows tired of his life as an elf prince, saws off the magic ring with a file, and goes back to his life as a poor layabout. In several of the stories the hero is presented with a choice between a supernatural woman and a good peasant girl. The supernatural woman is invariably the wrong choice.

Two stories stand out: Theodor Storm's "Hinzelmeier: A Thoughtful Story" and Hugo von Hofmannsthal's "Tale of the 672nd Night." In the first, a young man grows up with apparently ageless parents. He discovers the secret of their eternal youth: his mother is a Rose Maiden, and his father has fallen in love with her and found her, which grants him her immortality. There are certain men who are destined to be Rose Lords, and fall in love with the Rose Maidens, if they can find them. If he doesn't, both he and the Rose Maiden are doomed. Hinzelmeier, distracted by the World and the promise of the Philosopher's Stone meets his Rose twice but cannot keep her. Not only is the premise original, the prose, even in translation, is lovely, and the conclusion sorrowful: Hinzelmeier has failed and has lost his grace forever.

The second story is remarkable not for its plot, since nothing much happens, but for Hofmannsthal's creation of atmosphere. The theme of isolation, too, is apparent, as it often is in his work. The main character of the story, a merchant's son, sees a beautiful servant girl, but her beauty "fills him with longing but not desire" - he is not truly part of the world. At the end he is killed by accident by a horse, and as he is dying he hates everything: there is no revelation.***

This, like many of the stories, is not really a fairy tale. The term is used because the authors certainly wouldn't have thought of themselves as writing speculative fiction, even had the term existed.

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*While trying to find the text online, which it no longer seems to be, I have found this, which involves Roscrusians. No but really.
**If "The New Melusine" were a current fantasy story, it would be universally panned. So the elves were among the first creations of God, but they tried to take over the world, so God created dragons to fight them. But dragons were accursed, so He created giants to fight the dragons. The giants tried to take over the world too, so He created good knights to fight them and live in harmony with the elves.
***Both stories I enjoyed are beautiful failures.
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I've realized that the characters in the myriad stories that start in my head and never actually go anywhere are nearly always very, very good at what they do. Like the Queen's Champion, who is the best swordswoman in the land and knows it, and is very uncomfortable with being idolized, because she's also acutely aware that she's not a good person. Or the mercenary who's competent and good at her job, but runs up against magic she knows she can't beat.*

This transfers to the kind of characters I like to read, too. Let's talk about Phoenix Guards, because I really want to re-read it. It's fairly clear that Khaavren is awesome from the beginning, just inexperienced. He gets more and more awesome as the book progresses, but not past the bounds of reason (and to be honest, I don't really mind "past the bounds of reason", as long as the world and plot can justify it. I mean, that part in Anvil of the World when Smith has the knowledge and power to destroy the world? AWESOME. Rhapsody having the crown of every country under the sun and beauty that literally causes accidents? Less awesome.)

In other words, he's not like, say, Harry Potter, whom I never liked. I am over (and really, started out over) the hero who's not particularly good at anything. The argument I've heard for this type of hero is that people identify with them more easily. But I've never exactly wanted to identify with my heroes: I want them to be sympathetic, for sure, but not close to me, particularly.**

And, and this certainly points to a large character flaw, I'm pretty good at what I do. But I've been good at things by having large amounts of natural talent, and I tend not to go past where my talent takes me. Skating, for example. I was second nationally, on three practices a week, when my peers were doing six. Looking back, if I had been willing to put in any work off the ice, I'd probably have been in Vancouver a couple of years ago. But I wasn't, and I'm still not particularly willing to put hard work in to anything: I barely know how.*** There are certainly things I am bad at. Art, for example, or really anything to do with my hands and creating things. More relevantly to my life, math. Like, "can't-do-basic-algebra" abysmal. And I've tried to pay attention in class and stuff, but it just doesn't work, which can't be right. And I don't know how to fix it, and I have to because I need to pass a math class to graduate.

All personal flaws aside, I like my heroes talented - and preferably older, for some reason. Even as a young adult, whenever I read YA I sort of balked at the idea of trusting the Fate of the World to some teenager. I think it's telling that in about 8th grade I wrote this terrible story about an old warrior who hears the call (magically, of course) to go back for her**** last battle against the Forces of Evil*****.

Other things I am over: the heroine (usually) who has grown up in a court setting and complains about but is also vaguely proud of not fitting in. I would totally read a book about the sister these heroines tend to have, who is supposedly only interested in boys and clothes, but who is probably actually learning how to manipulate the court setting she lives in.

Arranged marriages as an excuse for inappropriate fieryness. Most of the stories in my head that will never be written are attempts to make tired tropes work for me. This one works best if she disagrees with the political motives behind the marriage. Once I think the marriage was being used to cement a deal to betray the king, which Our Heroine, being a good monarchist, of course, is against.

Speaking of kings, the idea of the Lost King, because unless you're being deliberately medieval, it's creepy and weird. Like, the stewards or whoever have been doing the best they can, but because they're not royal, it doesn't matter. Or they've been being evil, for no particular reason.

Evil people in general. Because usually they've got no reason to be evil - they've just decided "today I shall destroy the land, for funsies." Or "Today I shall attempt to take power for no real reason and then run the country into the ground. For funsies." And it makes no sense at all.

So this sort of evolved into My Issues With Fantasy, but whatever, I think it's valid and fun.******

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*My characters are also 99% female. Because my head is full of kick-ass women.
**I mean, I fantasize about my life being a TV show sometimes, but really it would be super dull.
***yeah, am currently procrastinating on my junior independent work, due in a week and unstarted , because it's not coming easily.
****99% female. I meant it.
*****I have also gotten over Forces of Evil. And major battles.
******It's also a "sharing still-born ideas" post. So I had Good and Evil, right? Only it was time for the world to be destroyed, according to Good's timeline, but Evil was having none of this, because Evil needed a body to be bound to, while Good could sort of nebulously exist. So they hire a hard-bitten mercenary to do, well, I'm not entirely sure what, to stop the forces of Good from destroying the world.
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Because I'm a sucker for anything set before 1500 and written before 1990, I read Miranda Seymour's The Goddess, which is about Helen of Troy. It was kind of a letdown: I was picturing awesomely bad, and it gave me mediocre. Also I have realized that I probably shouldn't read anything with Homeric characters because I will probably nitpick it TO DEATH.

The main problem was that her characterization was all over the place. It was really hard to tell if Seymour knew that her main characters were kind of unpleasant people or not, which is always annoying. Like, Paris sleeps with everyone (and so does Helen) and by everyone I mean everyone. For Paris it's Penthesilea, for Helen Odysseus. And neither of those makes much sense, especially Odysseus. I MEAN. This is not the place to go into My Ideal Odysseus (ok, it's basically Homer's minus the infidelity), but I think it's a big deal that he turned down Helen.* And I'm pretty sure that the deal with Penthesilea is that, well, she doesn't really have a point, but whatever. Not sleeping with Paris.

So anyway, she sort of reinvents Paris as this great warrior, in the face of all Homeric characterization. Remember that time* when Paris destroyed Menelaus in a duel and Menelaus had to be saved by Aphrodite? I don't either, because exactly the opposite happened. Also evidently Paris is the first to think of using archery from horseback, which I am pretty sure would be difficult with no stirrups. Also remember when Helen gets sick of Paris and doesn't want to sleep with him? Yeah, that doesn't happen.

Which brings us to oddities in the storyline. It starts out with Helen's childhood, and a poor man's Renault/Graves female vs male cult. Seymour can't seem to decided between Helen being basically nice but inhumanly beautiful or actually a bad person. She may or may not have gotten Castor and Pollux killed by encouraging them to go out on a raid (but really Menelaus killed them. or something). Skipping the oath Odysseus makes everyone take to go to war if Helen is ever kidnapped, which you might think would be kind of important, Helen marries Menelaus but he humiliates her and is really upset when she turns out to be barren and then he sleeps with a slave girl and Helen is miserable.

And then Paris comes and, you know, is kind of a douche (actually we get a taste of his douchitude when he's growing up and then when he actually goes to Troy. And I really can't tell if she knows he's a douche or not.) and Takes Her Away From All This. So they go to Troy and chill there for a while. The start of the war isn't actually in Homer so I don't really care, but then she decides to condense the ten years of the war into about two, which bothered me in the movie and bothers me now. And she skips Diomedes and Odysseus' night raid, which is quite important to the fall of Troy. And Helen doesn't fall out of love with Paris.

I know I'm harping on that a bit, but it's a fairly important part of her Homeric character that she feels bad about going (Many men have been slain for the sake of bitch-face me) and that she doesn't love Paris anymore.

Also I really hate her Hector and Andromache. Actually I just hate her characters in general. To really follow Homeric characterization, you'd have to have everyone be basically good: Hector is especially good, Agamemnon sometimes less than good. But Homer doesn't do villains (except Thersites) or just nasty people, which Seymour does a lot of.*

In any case, Helen helps Odysseus come up with the Trojan Horse idea, when she meets him disguised as a beggar (and then sleeps with him). This episode, if not the conceiving of the Horse, is purely Homeric and show a thing that happens very often: Seymour mixing good Homeric events and weird things that didn't happen. So then Helen goes home with Menelaus, his slave girl kills him, Helen gets exiled and then hanged as an offering to the Goddess by her old childhood friend. Really.

The end is basically a whirlwind tour through all the myths about Helen's return: Odysseus and Menelaus make up the Helen in Egypt story to save face, the Helen Dendritis thing is her being sacrificed by the friend.

So I didn't hate it, but it wasn't very good at all, and not even entertainingly bad. But it did make me think about characterization in Homeric novels. You, the generic Bronze Age listener, wouldn't raise your hand, in the circle around the fire, listening to the bard, and say "Excuse me, honored bard, but last week we had a guy here who insisted that Odysseus was faithful to Penelope. And clearly he is righter than you." So why do we hold modern writers, who are essentially carrying on the bardic tradition in written form, to higher standards? Except that Paris' unmanliness probably would have been constant.*

Indulging a bit here, I've always been Team Menelaus at least a little bit, and I don't know why. But really, is there anything wrong with her liking him? Menelaus is not a bad guy in Homer, really. He's a typical warrior, but he doesn't do anything actively douchey, unlike pretty much anything else.

IN SUM: I don't know if I'd recommend it. Maybe if you had free time and wanted to take my copy off my hands.*

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*Actually quite a bit of what I'm complaining about isn't Homeric and I'm not sure of the sources for it (it was in d'Aulaire's!) Like, did you know that the thing about Thetis dipping Achilles in the Styx was a 1st century AD thing? I did not.
*Iliad 3, 1-37
*Especially women, which is a whole other story. Look, I understand your point that all the women hate Helen for her beauty, but it's still kind of awful that none of your women have characters outside Helen or their husbands.
*Seymour has him fighting with a bow, and being praised for it. People. The Greeks thought that bow-fighting was unmanly for, like, ever.
*This is me steadfastly not mentioning that kind of embarrassing and pointless scene in which Chinese people and Nubians show up to be Trojan allies. Yeah, I dunno either.
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I'm currently reading selections from the de Goncourt journals, which are, well, often casually misogynistic, but also a fascinating look into the literary world of 1850s Paris. The de Goncourt brothers are fairly clearly mediocre talents who hang out with better writers, like Flaubert, and the journals are full of clear attempts to be aphoristic, which often miss the mark. But then sometimes they come out with something like this:

I feel convinced that every political argument boils down to this: I am better than you are, every literary argument to this: "I have more taste than you," every argument about art to this: "I have better eyes than you," every argument about music to this: I have a finer ear than you."


all of which is very true and very depressing. It's a chestnut that it's easier to critique than to praise, but one that's always held very true for me. It's very easy to be dismissive of things that you don't like, and wonder how anyone could ever like them. Personally, I love tearing things down, especially when they're hilariously bad (see also: my post on the guy who was really into the Real Historical Merlin and really this whole tag) but I do try to stay with things that are objectively bad. And yes, I do believe in the concept of "objectively bad." The Merlin book, for example, has shoddy research and is clearly written from a parti pris.

"Objectively bad" is harder in fiction, obviously, and the distinction needs to be made between "I don't like it, but it's good," "I don't like it because it's bad," "I like it but it is bad (guilty pleasures)" and "I like it because it is good." The first category is the hardest to fit things into, I think, because it's easier to find faults in a work than in yourself. I think for me at least Kazantzakis' The Odyssey: a Modern Sequel falls into this category. It's beautifully written, or at least translated, and it's a pretty good imitation of Homer, but I couldn't finish it because I detested his characterization of Odysseus. I also have trouble with "I like it but it is bad" - I suppose Sword of Attila works, but I am willing to lower my standards for things that aren't supposed to be Great Works of Fiction. The prose is readable, the characters are decent (no heroes you want to shake out of frustration, no cardboard cutout villains), so I don't think you can legitimately call it "bad," just "not literature" - but it had no pretensions to being literature, so you can't fault it for that.

In fact, I think most of my guilty pleasures are just things that are low culture and not trying to be high: operetta, trashy fantasy novels, trashy historical fiction. Of course, it's possible to be bad even admitting lower standards: The Blending series, despite some gorgeous cover art is truly awful. The first sentence is "Lorand stood in the farmyard just at dawn, watching the sun rise like the great ball of Fire magic it was," and it just gets worse from there. The characters are awful, the world makes no sense, and the prose is terrible. It also shades into "so awful I like it," but that's another story.

On another note, it really makes me wonder when people praise the worldbuilding in "Europe with fantasy names!" books. Not when it's like, Generic Medieval Setting, which is annoying but can be tweaked to make it interesting (and to be quite honest, I don't really mind medieval fantasy, as long as you make an effort), but when it's actually, literally Europe but with different names. Like the Kushiel series, or Guy Gavriel Kay's Sailing to Sarantium. I liked Sailing to Sarantium, I really did (although not enough to read the second one, but that's partly because I was broke), but you can only really praise the worldbuilding if you don't know the first thing about Byzantine history. Like, the fact that there was a Byzantium. And I know people are, you know, less into Byzantine history than me, and don't know about the who Amalsuntha thing, but really, Kay takes most of his plot points whole from history. I'm not saying I hate the idea, although it does make me wonder why you can't just write a historical novel with magic, but it's not good worldbuilding.

So to be completely elitist, because I believe that is the whole point of this post, I do have more taste than you. Or well, not "you" you, but the general person.
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I'm going to justify this by saying that I need something to read while I'm on the bike, but really that's a lie. Anyway, I read "The Sword of Attila," whose tagline is "He feared no man, no god, and no nation - and now Rome itself would know his wrath." And it's pretty much as melodramatic as that makes it seem. Nonetheless, by the end I was really non-ironically into it.

There were problems, yes: I wish he had better female characters. Honoria is a hilariously terrible person in history - she proposes to Attila because her brother imprisoned her!* And so you could and probably should do a lot more with her than having her be defined by sleeping with/wanting to sleep with people. Aetius' wife, while not important to the story historically, could be fleshed out in a novel, and, well, I forget her name. I think it's Priscilla. Also there's a developmentally delayed man who can barely manage one word at a time, and of course he sacrifices himself heroically for our hero.

But Our Hero is pretty damn heroic (it really should have been called "The Story of Aetius' Awesome or something. I am not good at names, but the point is it's less about Attila and more about Aetius.). And likable, or maybe that's just because he's my type, to a tee. I mean, he's 1. fiercely loyal to a doomed cause 2. he's a great man who is surrounded and subordinate to lesser men 3. he's lean and dark-haired. And he goes and learns Hunnic fighting! and one of the Huns has a life-debt to him! In short, Aetius is awesome and makes the book. Attila, tbh, is kind of boring, although there is a pretty awesome scene at the end in which he begs Aetius to kill him after being defeated at Châlons.

Even the prose wasn't too bad. Not great, and with a certain tendency to purple when it was aiming for lyrical, but not awful, the way too many historical novels are.

So as a whole, I'd recommend it, if you're looking for a quick read and like awesome Roman generals.
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*NB: Facts may well be drawn from the Huns Age of Empires II campaign.**
**fun story about that campaign: there's one scenario where you get gold for destroying minor settlements. I always ran out and ended up having to attack Byzantium.*** So Byzantium totally got destroyed by the Huns in my alternate history.
***Attacking Byzantium is a pain. I can see why it didn't fall till 1453.

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